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Message: [QUOTE="Big Del, post: 3684304, member: 9291"] Through the lens of Payne Haas and his upbringing I think understandable . Police have been the bane of his parents life . I think there was also a quote from that incident that you refer to about cops locking his mother up so he had no respect for them ? Under the influence of alcohol people say and do things they wouldn`t when sober is a mitigating factor along with his immaturity at the time . Words and actions . [/QUOTE]

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