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Message: [QUOTE="bazza, post: 3168003, member: 8440"] Well firstly, I'm not trying to downplay Seibold's role in our demise. I am simply pointing out the players are also responsible for where we are at currently. They should not be free of blame for some of their poor performances. You can't honestly tell me that a player forgets how to play football because of poor coaching. Secondly, Glenn has mostly been injured. He has always been a good club man who gives his all. He is not one of the senior players I was referring to. I am looking at Boyd, Milford, Oates and Ofahengaue. These are the guys that should be stepping up more than they have been. Instead, they have mostly been outplayed by less experienced members of the team. They have shown very little in terms of leadership. They should be the ones driving the standards. It's embarrassing when the team turns to a rookie like Carrigan for leadership, when we have blokes with way more experience just idly standing by. Boyd was invisible in almost every single game this year until he went back to fullback. Let's not forget why he was moved from fullback in the first place. He has been better than last year, but to say he has been good is laughable. He has shown very little leadership on the field. There have been countless games where the team is huddled behind the goalpost after conceding a try where he, among some of the other senior players I have mentioned, just stand there without saying a single word. It is interesting though that Boyd has started finding a voice again once Gentle took over. [/QUOTE]

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