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Message: [QUOTE="Fitzy, post: 3335361, member: 9881"] I don’t disagree I am happy that we put our foot down to stop it from happening again (on such a large scale). However when you choose to punish so severely and the tarnished rep, bank accounts and integrity all outweighs the crime. I believe it gets to the point where if they take it on the chin like they have than all should be forgiven after 3 almost 4 years. We should move on without being in-humane towards them (cough** cough** ENGLAND) and taking away further opportunities for them to accomplish in there lives. Whilst I do not think Pat should be the captain at all. Likewise I will support him. However where we significantly disagree is I believe Smith should be given first shot. To be honest I’d feel much better knowing Cummins has been under Smiths wing for a while before he gets captain. Cummins in my opinion is not ready and needs some time to get his head around captaincy. A crucial Ashes on home soil is not that time. So why don’t we just agree to disagree and cut the argument there. [/QUOTE]

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