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Message: [QUOTE="Fitzy, post: 3343994, member: 9881"] You were trying to convince people like seam and swing are the same thing as if seam is just a variant or variation of swing. Which is completely not true yes a bowler can do both but that doesn’t make it the same thing. As for swinging it off the seam is entirely wrong statement and that bounce movement is what is called SEAM bounce. Yes it can swing after seaming but that is uncontrollable as been said a number of times. Considering this conversation started with you trying to uneducatedly (not a word I know, also I know it’s ironic) and condescendingly tell people that they don’t understand something that you very much have no clue about I think it’s probably time we wrap this argument up because it’s getting stupider by the second. Whether you want to agree with this or not Swing is through the air, Seam is off the bounce. You can not swing it off the seam or whatever you said. It can swing after seaming but as stated a million times that is uncontrollable and rarely ever occurs until it is tailing through to the keeper. I personally think your statistical understanding of cricket is amazing (especially shield) and you understand a lot of cricket areas more than the average Joe and people on this forum however your understanding of this concept is simply not right and has been misunderstood and miscommunicated to the group. [/QUOTE]

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