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Message: [QUOTE="BroncsFan, post: 3319932, member: 9052"] I think Seibold's plans, or at least how he developed them, was focused on set starts (taps off penalties, scrums, 20m taps, etc.), because that was the way the game was played. Also I think prior to six agains the ball generally stayed in play for 2mins, which was the way he trained... I'm pretty sure post six agains the ball is in play a shit ton more, probably why we get fatigued. Also Seibold was working off the wrong dataset if he was applying league wide ball in play time, because our lack of a kicker meant we barely ever found touch when our team was gassed and needed a break, so if the opposition wanted the ball in play there wasnt much we could do about it. Breaking the set starts down further you basically only had a few different scenarios of where and how your set of six would start pre six agains. You either had the get out set... after the opposition kicked. Typically inside your own half, play conservative, one out hitups, DH runs, etc. get to a point on the field and then pending where you were kick, chase and defend. Stay in the "arm wrestle" until someone makes a mistake. If during a get out set you get a penalty or you win the arm wrestle and force an error, then it basically becomes an attacking set inside their half.. kick for touch will get you somewhere near the 50m or the error will generally be in yardage... and from there maybe some more tactical penalties with tap restarts, etc. You're basically either working it out from your own end or attacking inside the 20m off set starts. Introduction of six agains changed that and you no longer had a whole lot of say to where you would be starting your sets.... it was basically dictated by where the opposition put you after their kick. Penalties were just a play on, and the whole game becomes back and forth "get out sets"/"arm wrestle grinds" until one team flinches and then succumbs to a mountain of momentum against them and no real way to either stop it (tactical penalties) or get back into a grind (penalties on get out sets). I believe the teams that have the best and longest kickers are now dominating (Cleary, Moses and Reynolds), because they are dictating field position... even if Cleary is caught kicking inside his 30m his boot is big enough to get it to the opposition's 20m anyway. Storm and Roosters arent as great kicking, but they are great at rolling through the ruck for huge gains on their sets or hanging in there in defence until the opposition make an error. DCE is a decent kicker, but he's not got the biggest boot... Manly are pretty much 95% Turbo destroying teams and Manly were trash when he wasnt there to start the year and weren't great last year when he was injured a lot. Us having no decent kicker for years means we cant dictate field position and poor 5th tackle options mean decent sets turn to crap when we give it back to the opposition. Seibold wasnt able to adapt to this with the squad he had and wasnt able to formulate a new plan to reverse our field position woes [/QUOTE]

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