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Message: [QUOTE="Porthoz, post: 2688711, member: 2221"] That bold bit is truly mind boggling imo. Corey Oates has played 42 NRL games in the last 3 years (not exactly a rookie), most of them (26) from the bench as a backrower, and 16 as a starter in the 3/4 line. In those 16 starts, he showed great speed, positioning and finishing ability scoring 12 tries, as well as grunt, power and hard hitting defense. Also, unless memory betrays me, was never looked upon as a defensive liability in any of those games. Any RL fan worth its grain, including the greenhouse sane ones, should know Corey Oates and prefer him to Lee, especially in the Origin arena, where any mistake is crucial. As a RL fan, I actually do know Valentine Holmes, despite him being a rookie with far lesser games (18) and time in the NRL than Oates. He appears to be a great talent, and I hope he goes on to deliver on his promise. Although he is still green, he definitely should be ahead of Lee as well. I probably would prefer Oates, as he offers more assurances at this stage imo, but wouldn't be shocked to see Valentine as 18th man. [/QUOTE]

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