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Message: [QUOTE="The Don, post: 3170921, member: 11393"] I assume so. That is a very good question. You pretty much summed it up although I have seen improvement on that front. I love the sheer passion he seems to have with it not being as common these days. Warriors game being a good example. Played half the game with a bad shoulder and refused to come off. Real team man and capable of momentum swinging tackles etc. as well as putting off the opposition. Makes some errors but then really works his arse off to make up for them. Has improved discipline out of sight for sure but his defence has been found out at times this year. In saying that he has played injured (shoulder) a few times which has effected his defence so hard to judge him imo. Splits fans. I like him personally but definitely a few that don't. Hope that helps. On being off contract, considering how much he has been played I would assume Holbrook is a fan and he wants to stay from all reports so must be negotiations on price. Concerned given Fermor has shown quality signs and Tino and Fifita coming in he won't have a spot. Hipgrave can play lock and we need one with Arrow going but god it looks like Peachey might take that with the ball playing lock seeming to be the new norm. Hope he re-signs as would be top shelf depth at least. Probably no longer relative to your question but I figure while I am thinking might as well put it in: It is why I am of the opinion Proctor is no longer needed. Prefer Hipgrave as he brings points of difference rather than just experience and Fogarty seems to be owning the captaincy. I am still unsold on how much experience is optimal. Figure Wallace (seems to be stepping up) could offer that for the middle blokes with halves controlling the edges. Interested to see how Penrith wind up with seemingly a fairly inexperienced side(I think)? [/QUOTE]

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