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Message: [QUOTE="Coxy, post: 2196318, member: 1764"] Yeah, and if you don't use their respective teams' performances, how do you compare them? Simply viewing what they were capable of doing is not a fair comparison. Sure, I saw Johns carve up a hapless South Sydney or Cowboys when they were languishing at the bottom of the ladder. I saw Langer do the same thing. Dally M awards? Please, voted by journalists with their own bias and agendas. At least the old Rothman's medal was based on the opinion of referees who are out on the field and see the players up close, both in what they do and how they conduct themselves. It's not even fair to ask players who played with both of them, because Johns was on the rise when Alf was on the decline. Few, if any players were involved with them both at their peak. Rep honours? Alf was from Queensland, Johns from NSW. NSW had 4 times as many players to choose from - thus being selected ahead of others could be seen as an indicator of greatness, but at the same time, him carving up the rather lacklustre 2003 and 2005 Queenslanders isn't as great an achievement as Alf carving up NSW in 1998, 2001 and 2002 is it? Particularly since he was a player on the decline, particularly in 2002. Judging different players is always subjective. You're entitled to your opinions, and I mine. I'll think you're an idiot for thinking Johns is better than Langer, and vice versa. That's life. [/QUOTE]

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