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Message: [QUOTE="Kimlo, post: 2202535, member: 2021"] whether she was drunk or scared or w/e, she consented and really that's the end of it. The players were drunk and off their head too, they probably wouldn't of done it if they were sober, sorry it works both ways. She may of been scared to say no, but the fact is she didn't, the players are not mind readers to realise she wanted to say no but didn't? I haven't read or seen anything to suggest she did say no, so I really can't see why the players should be blamed for doing this, sure it's absolutely disgusting and personally it makes me sick in the stomach, but it is legal at the end of the day and both parties agreed to the act. We are not moral judges for people to judge what is right and what is wrong, if they have group sex so be it, if people want to be gay so be it, if people want to have 8 boys on 2 girls group session so be it, in the end if it's legal, it's their choice to make, if they regret it later on, that is not the guys problems. Someone people get influenced into buying drugs, if they buy it and regret it later on, that's their badluck, it's all the same. Bringing it up in the media 7 years later is not helping anyone, and saying she was going to commit suicide, and that if she had a gun she would shoot them. The way johns was on the footy show, you could tell he was not in a very good way, and the fact he missed the sunday roast indicates he's having his own problems as well and you can sure as hell bet he regrets it when his kids are/have asked seen the newspapers and his wife and him will have to go through it all over again. Too me it seems like she did something at the time, and now she regrets it badly we all do things in life we regret, to different extents. Four detectives investigated the incident and the players were found innocent, that's all that matters, what's "right" or "wrong" differs from person to person. FTR, I find it filthy, but there's 6 billion people out there in the world and everyone has their own views on what is right and what is wrong, end of the day she consented, she went to the hotel room. ------------------------ Great post coxy, that's pretty much the way I feel. It's about the culture of the club. The bulldogs have done a great job with their recruitment, the whole club now is really a "family" club, hodgson, hannant, kimmorely, ennis, hazem, ryan, patten, all good family men. I think recruiting good people now is just as important as good players, Folau is a perfect example. Another thing that was suggested was now with the salary cap, older players are getting pushed out and some teams in the nrl have an average age of 24, you'd think that would contribute somewhat as well. [/QUOTE]

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