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Message: [QUOTE="lynx000, post: 2202956, member: 2065"] My take on this is that if what the woman in the Tilse incident said is correct, not only should he have been sacked by his club (which by the way Newcastle did) and suspended for a period (which the NRL did) but he should have faced criminal charges for either assault or aggravated assault. Re the NZ incident, this is where the line between legally correct and morally correct gets blurred. If it was consensual and she was not affected by alcohol to the extent that she could not give consent, then legally no offences have been committed. It comes down to your own view on the moralistic aspect. Personally, I think what they did was wrong (including her) but particularly the players given her age at the time. As other people have said this is not only a rugby league problem but a societal problem. It does appear to be somewhat more prevalent in league, but I wonder if that is merely the result of the combination of several factors. Such as the drinking culture, the male ego (among fit, healthy young men) and the fact that the community does place these players on a pedestal that perhaps they should not be on. It does seem to be the case that there are young women out there that are prepared to throw themselves as these players (for whatever reason). If I can cite two examples, one of my house mates at one stage was a young girl. My other house mate and I were sitting downstairs watching tv one night when she arrived home with a queensland player (the state of origin team were in camp in Brisbane). They disappeared upstairs to `watch the news on the tv in her bedroom). She was cold sober (she had driven them home from the City) and then after they had finished `watching the news' she had to drive him back to his hotel because he had to be back in by 11.00. The other example involves a city with one team (not Brisbane) where the visiting teams used to regularly stay at one hotel. The security staff had a large collection of videos from the security cameras of events happening in and around the pool area after games involving local girls and members of the visiting teams. The visiting teams changed from week to week, month to month, but the girls were nearly always the same. I worry about what messages this sends to players if these type of things are occurring, in light of the drinking culture and the male bonding culture. One part of the answer seems to me to be a very heavy education program for all young players with top ups for the older players emphasising their role, the behaviour expected of them, responsible consumption of alcohol and appropriate treatment of women. It will take time but eventually it will hopefully turn around. [/QUOTE]

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