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Message: [QUOTE="Coxy, post: 2203154, member: 1764"] Yeah, fair point. What I find laughable is the suggestion that any drunk football yobbo would be coordinating a nice, friendly group root. That's incredibly funny. I'm not denying this girl must've had odd thinking to agree to rooting Johns and Firman (hell, rooting that slime bag, unfunny, grotesque moron Johns is bad enough) but what I'm saying is that I can understand how the situation escalating - 2 blokes, then maybe 6, then suddenly 12 in the room - and all the while guys are on top of her, holding her down (maybe not forcefully but if they're on top doing shit then the result is she's pinned) dicks in her face etc...I can see how it'd get to the stage where she'd be thinking enough's enough but have no means to get them off her. That's when the "play dead" type reaction schmix has talked about earlier comes in - lie there, get it over and done with so she can get out. There would be where the trauma kicked in. Why didn't she say anything? Well, why didn't they stop long enough to check if she was "still into it"? (I don't believe Johns when he says he did...no way). did she stop her proactive involvement at some point (ie, stop saying "now you" if that's what she was doing)? Did she suddenly lie there still? Did they notice? We won't know for sure. But as I keep saying, for her to be this traumatised things MUST have escalated to a level far beyond what she was comfortable with. You simply DON'T suffer that level of trauma for this length of time if you were "all in" at the time. It just doesn't happen. And as I've also kept saying, Johns was the one who hooked up with her. Johns was the one predominantly responsible for her welfare. That he admits to leaving the room and leaving her to the other guys says a hell of a lot about him. Zero sympathy for him. Absolutely none. [/QUOTE]

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