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Message: [QUOTE="schmix, post: 2203523, member: 1780"] Well this certainly throws a new light on things. I was totally over this argument but now I feel I have to post so it doesn't look like I bowed out when the going got tough [icon_lol1. What this woman says absolutely goes against the original story from the girl, and seems to confirm Johns' report. BUT it's still just one person, who could be lying for any number of reason (15 minutes of fame, money - because the commercial channels would certainly pay, a grudge against the girl etc). I'm not saying I don't believe her, but I think some people have been a bit too quick to give her statements 100% credibility. The story has certainly modified my views and I'm willing to admit that, but I wonder if those who were arguing against me would admit the same if the situation was reversed. I still completely stand by my shock at people's initial reactions - "she asked for it", "she's a slut who walked straight into the situation" etc. I really really hate that people jump to those sorts of conclusions, because it just reeks of a male-dominated culture where women have to go to extraordinary lengths to protect themselves, and get justice for being wronged. I also stand by the idea that not saying "no" does not always equal consent, and that women can be intimidated into saying nothing when they are feeling frightened or endangered. Whether that is the case here, at the moment I don't have a strong opinion either way, but I do think there was a situation that should not have occurred. Two men should not turn into twelve at the drop of a hat, regardless of the girl. [/QUOTE]

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