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Message: [QUOTE="Coxy, post: 2204835, member: 1764"] Not sure what happened to my post...I assume I never actually posted it. LOLZ. But I was agreeing with rnabokov about informed consent. Bear in mind some of these girls are starstruck. They see this hot footballer they admire and want to **** him. OK, it's not the most moral thing she can do, but as far as I'm concerned that's an informed consensual decision. Footballer accepts. Again, informed consensual decision. Where it gets blurred is when/if they're having their one-on-one fun and then his mates want a piece of the action. Faced with that situation right there, how easy is it to make an informed decision? Bear in mind the girl, if she's mid-screw, is naked, in a very compromising position, and quite vulnerable. Stupid or not, she might also think if she says no then the guy she wanted might not want her anymore, not like her etc. That scenario is where I think the line gets blurred, and can lead to a lot of feelings of guilt, disgust, anger, betrayal afterwards. I'm not speaking of specific cases here, just in general. If you consent to a one-on-one one night stand, you know what you're consenting to. It's when that situation - the rules of engagement so to speak - change that perhaps for younger, more naive, less assertive women it can then be less than informed consent. More like "I suppose so". I won't say coercion...but close to it. SO, what am I saying? I think it's simple. Footballers - and men in general, but footballers only because they have more to lose by doing it wrong - need to just respect the girls they pick up. I know a lot of people jump to the conclusion here that if a girl wants to have sex with a footballer she meets at a club then she's a slut, but she's no more a slut than the footballer that immediately says "yeah, let's go baby". The "anonymous senior player" the SMH spoke to even said it, if you treat them nice and pay their cab ride home afterwards, there's no problem. But if you try and get her into a group thing she wasn't expecting, or if you treat her like a piece of meat (eg Laffranchi's charming alleged wake up greeting of "thanks for the orgasm bitch") then you're going to risk them getting the idea they were wronged and they may make a complaint - either to police or the media. Either way is bad news for the player. They have so much more to lose. So really, the way to handle these situations is, in priority: 1. Say no 2. Go for it, but: - leave it at one-on-one or whatever the original configuration was - don't invite others in on the action, even if she says she's up for it - treat her nice and ensure she gets home safely afterwards I reckon if they did that, 99% of these cases would never see the light of day. [/QUOTE]

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