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Message: [QUOTE="Porthoz, post: 2901962, member: 2221"] I agree with you here, but your statements re the players in both affairs are quite different, which was my initial point. Fact 1: The Sharks administrated enhancing and prohibited substances to their players, which amounts to cheating. Fact 2: The players admitted to Fact 1, which again amounts to cheating. Fact 3: This was only discovered years later. (2014) Fact 4: Standard MINIMAL punishment in such matters is a 2 years suspension, none of it retroactive! Fact 5: Punishment was not only way below the standard, it was dealt retroactively. Players and staff should've been punished according to standards, which would've meant they would not have been available in 2016. So no, not an untainted squad, not an untainted coach, not and untainted organisation! Like it or not, speculative or not, winning a premiership without said players and staff (including an important senior player, their captain and their coach), as well as all the logistics issues associated with it, in a competition as tight as the NRL, would be highly unlikely. So, not only did the Sharks attempted to cheat their way into a premiership, ASADA and the NRL helped them get there. I couldn't give a **** whether this would stand up in court or not, but as far as I'm concerned, they had an illegal team in 2016, and I (with many others) call that cheating. P.S. If the doping affair had been discovered earlier and punished accordingly, no one knows what would've happened later. I'm not sure someone like Paul Gallen or even Wade Graham would've come back from it. Regardless, had the Sharks won a competition after that, I wouldn't have liked it, but I wouldn't have accused them either, like I didn't accuse clubs I despise, such as Manly, Roosters or the Storm last year. [/QUOTE]

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