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Message: [QUOTE="Big Pete, post: 2987372, member: 1899"] The point is the game of Rugby League is a tough physical game where players will do just about anything to get on top of their opponents. That means facials, forearms to the face etc. you name it. It's all against the rules, but the referees provide discretion for the sake of the contest. Every player is afforded the same amount of leeway in the ruck, and the ones who tend to take it too far, are the ones who appear in the most penalised players in the competition. So in order to stand out among other Rugby League players to be labelled a grub, you'd think a player like McGuire would have either had to have done something incredibly heinous or been a constant feature on that list, neither has been the case. So in the grand scheme of things, McGuire isn't that bad, especially in relation to an Andrew Fifita type. Then again, maybe grub is just a superfluous adjective that is merely in the eye of the beholder. For instance, I don't think Cameron Smith is that big of a grub in the grand scheme of things. Compared to Slater, Vunivalu, Chambers, Scott, Munster, Bromwich, Asofa-Solomona, Kasiano etc. he doesn't rate a mention. The worst thing he did all of last year was take an age to get off the field against Cronulla, which was poor but a ton of players were guilty of that. I'm not a fan of the way he talks to referees, but relative to the rest of the competition he's easily the best. He'll actually make constructive points the majority of the time and forces the referee to engage with him. It's much better than say having JT swear at the referee. Personally I prefer the relationship players have with the officials in Rugby Union where it's far more diplomatic. It sends a better message and gives the referee the respect they deserve to officiate the game. [/QUOTE]

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