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Message: [QUOTE="Wolfie, post: 3663471, member: 8770"] You have to be kidding. Starting fresh from their position isnt as good as having a roster like we did. He could hardly pick and choose who he wanted. He had to recruit from what was available in an extremely short time frame compared to other expansion teams. Thats not even debatable, they got short changed. Our roster is just as mismanaged now as it was when Kevvie came in. So is that Kevvies fault, or does he only get credit for moving on players he didnt want. Cant have it both ways. The big thing everyone can see Kevvie did was improve the culture around the place when he came in. I wouldnt say taking us from winning the spoon ( which should never have happened with our squad anyway ) to finishing 14th is exactly remarkable either. It was decent, i expected more tbh. Ciraldo clearly had a plan. This year its paying dividends, last year was the building process. We will only know next year if its got any substance to it. What i would say though the improvement this year is way ahead of what Kevvie did in his first 2 years with a worse roster. That again isnt even debatable. They are in with a very good chance of finishing top 4 after finishing 13th. Kevvie went from 14th with 16 points, to 9th with 28 points. Not quite this mythical 100% points increase year on year you go on about, even accounting for 2023. Ciraldo has gone from 13th and 20 points to 5th as it stands with 34 points. Ciraldo compared to Kevvie has got them finals footy in his second year with a minimum of a 14 point increase. But what i can say from your post is yes, as in most team sports. The buck stops with the coach. [/QUOTE]

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