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Message: [QUOTE="Wolfie, post: 3663492, member: 8770"] You know, just because you win the spoon doesnt mean you dont have the talent, it can mean you are simply poorly coached. We were poorly coached under Seibold and underachieved in the extreme. We never had a spoon side with the talent we had, we just had an incompetent coach who the players just didnt gel with and get his coaching. As for your second point, i truly dont know what you are trying to get at. For a start, you cant double your wins in one year, has to be over a 2 year period. Ciraldo had 7 wins in his first year. 14 this year minumum. He has clearly doubled his wins in 2 years, i dont know what logic you are using to try to justify he hasnt. Kevvie won 7 games in his first year. 13 in his second year. So unless maths where i live is different from maths on whatever planet you are on, Ciraldo has improved the dogs from a points standing better in 2 years than Kevvie did at Brisbane. He has also improved their position on the ladder better as well. Those are just plain, simple, undebatable facts. Trying to use Gould to back up your argument is a bit weak. All clubs are planning for the future before the next coach comes in. Every team has a recruitment setup, some are just better than others. And yep, our roster when Kevvie got here was a mess. He helped get it straight again. Nobody i think argues that he didnt. But now its in a bit of a state again, isnt that on Kevvie as well, or is it only the good Kevvie gets backed for? You also seem weirdly obsessed with bringing Bennett and the Dolphins into every argument about Kevvie. Trying to compare us to the Dolphins is absolutley comical. Anyone with any rugby league brains wouldnt be expecting the Dolphins to make the finals this year or last year, it would just be a bonus if they did. We are expected to be top 8 minimum every year. [/QUOTE]

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