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Message: [QUOTE="JayPee, post: 3550801, member: 9256"] When I mean not on the radar I mean not an elite first grader. Most of those guys weren't established at all. Benefited from playing in a side playing well? Some of that is coaching. It would be like me saying Walters has nothing to do with it is just a bunch of guys all playing well. I get your point and I'm not saying is Jack Gibson and he has some glaring flaws but player development imo is not one of them. Not fans of Payten? Who? The only guy that has had any so called "problems" with him is Taumalolo and that conveniently went away last year once the team started winning. Their was more rumblings about Paul Green and how much they couldn't stand him then there has been Payten. If we struggle again next year with the roster we have I will be right there with you but he has given this club more positives then negatives since he was hired. [/QUOTE]

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