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Message: [QUOTE="Skathen, post: 3407060, member: 8789"] Is he setting up points regularly? No. Is he getting line breaks and getting the ball away to a back? No. Is he leading the field in offloads, promoting second phase play? No. Is he barging over for a try every week or two? No. Is he pivotal in our turnaround this season? No. Is he cutting players down and dominating the opposition? No. What he is doing: - Making great meters. - Can play big minutes. - Lot of post contact meters (but at the cost of a slow play the ball / set defence). - Doing a lot of 1%ers like getting back in defense and busting his guts when others aren't. - Has potential to improve further. He's very valuable for a prop - he has a lot of good characteristics. But is he the best prop in the game that the media love to push out there? I would contend absolutely not, I would say that James Fisher-Harris and Josh Papalii would be my top picks in that category for a very special reason - presence, leadership and fear. Payne can play more minutes, more meters, but - these are better defenders - enforcers, great at getting teams on the front foot. Neither of these blokes are getting a million per year. Looking at clubs who have paid a forward big bucks - Titans and Cowboys - have they extracted the value from that extra money? In one case - definitely not - in the other - it's been pretty up and down. [/QUOTE]

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