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Message: [QUOTE="McHunt, post: 3407510, member: 9853"] I don't expect props to score tries and make assists, but I would value one higher if it were a regular part of his game. Given we are talking about Payne being one of the highest paid players - not just props - and of all time, yes I would expect him to have more to his game than barging and tackling. I've probably reiterated this about 100 times. It's not exactly controversial. Most people are saying that. It's why I consider Patty and Flegs to be worth as much as Payne, and honestly, more than him. Their defence is just as good, but their attacking games are better, and becoming increasingly so every game. Payne's error rate is lower than these two, but he doesn't take the risks. Sometimes you need to take risks to get the rewards. When Carrigan and Flegs tuck the ball under one arm, you don't know how the play will end. When Payne tucks it under, you'll know it will end 10-15 yards up the field with 5 blokes hanging off him then a play the ball. That'll be 99 times out of a 100. Payne is a guaranteed increment in field position but little else. I know a lot of observers get off on these incremental field position advances and then a kick, but it's not why I watch the game. [/QUOTE]

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