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Message: [QUOTE="Organix, post: 3403701, member: 8187"] I agree with the first part. That circle of Nasser is absolutely toxic. He wormed his way in through Mundine, who recruited SBW who idolised Mundine, then they hooked others and I think he targets young muslims in sport. So, I think it is just that circle of people that is the problem. I honestly dislike those personality traits you described in people of any religion. One of my mates is in one of those Pentecostal groups that preach prosperity gospel, and I have had it out with him on many occasions before I just made a point to save the friendship by avoiding talking religion. Similarly, I have acquainted some Jewish people and Muslims, who I could have solid camaraderie with (I just never hung out enough with them to become good friends) that also had these strong ideals and zeal that could easily turn radical in the wrong sequence of events. My Pentecostal friend went full antivax during Covid, but I don't have much contact with them when I am living overseas, so I only know how that is with him from mutual friends. So, yep, agree about the mental state too. It's something of a gullibility and (as you said) naivety that, coupled with pride and shame, locks them on that sad path. However, there are many schools of Islam and many people practice the faith differently. I haven't learnt the religion and haven't lived it to comment so strongly on the religion itself, but I think that it suffers from its age. It is essentially at its Crusade era. Fighting for relevance and legitimacy, still invigorated with youth and not aged like Catholicism with all its repetition and mundane rites. I think our own viewpoints on it are probably skewed in a similar way to the Jews and how Jesus was a radical hippy who came in throwing tables around and inciting riots, etc. IMO, all these religions are just MLMs that essentially offer people a sense of belonging and typically induction starts with love-bombing or some rite to earn your way in. I feel like Nasser basically does that with his boys. I mean, SBW talks about how Nasser never hyped them up or anything, but he is their manager. I mean, c'mon. Whatever. Anyway, it's not religion, per se. It's just circumstance. For example, Scomo being part of the Hillsong church seemed to work out pretty well for him. Being part of the liberal party seems to work out well in terms of property development. Peter V'Landys being the head of the NRL seems to be working out pretty well for betting agencies. [/QUOTE]

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