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Message: [QUOTE="abashii, post: 3214261, member: 8686"] I wouldn't describe it as acceptable however we are all in some aspects products of our environment. My parents raised me to speak politely and keep my cool but perhaps Payne's role models took a somewhat different view. If that's the case I think a more appropriate and effective approach would be a moderate suspension and mentoring to assist him in developing values and behaviours more in line with community standards. Much like with Lodge, everyone in this case might be better served by looking not just to punishment but rehabilitation and improvement. Between this and the licence thing it does strike me perhaps he wasn't given the best role models growing up. And while it's not accept it's understandable at some level to harbour a resentment towards the institution who, from your point of view, took your parent/s away. [/QUOTE]

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