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Message: [QUOTE="Huge, post: 3185055, member: 1992"] See, right here at the end you present a position I have never held. It's contained in your statement I quote now "but you cannot deny that anabolic agents work just because a player didn't get better". I have never claimed peds don't work, they most certainly do but they do not work in every case nor do they provide the same results for all users. Another thing I said was the CLUB(s) didn't appear to gain an advantage from the course. Individually players may have but again, there's no evidence that they enjoyed any greater success after the course. What many( most?) on here seem to forget is that Gallen was just one player amongst many. If there was a great benefit why weren't all the others high endurance athletes? Why weren't they all being talked about? I mean, if the results were certain and repeated surely all of them would have burst onto the rep scene or started performing so highly they'd attract media attention? I've never argued that the two clubs didn't break the rules, that players used or were administered banned substances or that the failure of the clubs to climb the league ladders meant they hadn't broken the rules. I just don't see any evidence the clubs gained much or any rewards for their illegal drug regime. [/QUOTE]

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