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Message: [QUOTE="Brett, post: 3185062, member: 8361"] There's a lot of guys at local gyms who take shit tonnes of gear, who look like absolute shit. That doesn't mean that the drugs don't work, it means that the person using them is a fucken idiot. You can inject all the drugs you want, but if you don't put in the work and train hard, eat properly, sleep properly, and recover properly, then you will always look like a piece of shit and not get the benefit. I would also posit that nearly all elite level athletes with sponsorship money behind them, are taking some form of performance enhancing drug. It is mind-blowingly easy to get away with when you know what test they're using, so you know what they're testing for and what limits are allowable. So I guess to that end what you're saying is technically true, but only on account of the fact that the end user is a plonker and not that the drugs don't work, because they do. They won't provide the same results for everyone either, that's very true. You can have someone like a Dorian Yates take a small amount of test and blow up like a balloon, but give the same dose to another bloke and the gains won't be the same. [/QUOTE]

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