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Message: [QUOTE="Morkel, post: 3186229, member: 8215"] Gallen was a machine. But was he an 80 minute Origin machine? No. End of discussion. You can not possibly rule out that the peptides played some part in that. There was gushing from all corners of the media on him putting in an 80 minute Origin appearance at prop, this wasn't just "oh look he's taken his club form in to Origin". Flanagan's own words about Snowden in 2011: [I]"Snowden is playing so well he should be the first prop selected by NSW provided he stays fit over the next month. He made his State of Origin debut in the final game of last year's series and it's arguable his form has only improved this season. Over the first five games this season, he is averaging more runs and more metres than the corresponding time last year. Against Manly last weekend, he was unstoppable, running for 109 metres, making 39 tackles and creating two tries as the Sharks endured a heart-breaking defeat".[/I] [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/cronulla-prop-kade-snowden-plays-against-the-club-trying-to-sign-him/news-story/6e5a19627a342ec1b63d5cf3216de644[/URL] Also, the Sharks tried to keep him with a 4-year, $1.6 million offer. That was massive money back then. Hardly someone who had regressed. Flanagan on their forward's great start to 2011 and potentially losing Gallen, Snowden, Douglas & Tupou to Origin: [I]"Lock Paul Gallen is a certainty and the frontrunner to captain the Blues, while prop Kade Snowden will also get picked. However the Sharks' presence in the Blues squad may not end there. [B]The Sharks' strong start to the season has brought workhorse front rower Luke Douglas into genuine contention[/B] and it is not out of the question the Origin hopes of Anthony Tupou could be rekindled after some tremendous early form."[/I] Also... [I]"Tupou has not played Origin or Test football since 2008, but has returned to his best to start this season. Stuart is known to be a fan of the talented Tupou and Flanagan says the former Roosters has a resolve to return to the rep arena. "Toups, he's had a couple of lean years ... [B]but he's had a really good off-season, he's put on about three kilograms of muscle so he's feeling confident within himself," [/B]he said."[/I] [URL unfurl="true"]https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2011-03-29/sharks-hoping-for-origin-contingent/2636372?pfm=sm&pfmredir=sm[/URL] It seems a bunch of their forwards had really strong "pre-seasons" that year. I don't know why you are so afraid to admit that they could have benefited from the doping program. It's what the program was intended to do! For someone who claims to watch them so intently, your memory of them seems to be quite out of touch with the reality. [/QUOTE]

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