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Message: [QUOTE="scobie, post: 3475968, member: 9428"] I'm going to give this a crack mate, cos I don't buy into this conspiracy thing at all. -the game is run by a corrupt bloke who has a very shady record with horse racing Never heard of PVL before he took over rugby league to be honest. Know very little about horse racing other than it's a great way to lose money. But I don't think his character or past is a valid argument as these conspiracy theory arguments have been going on long before he had anything to do with the NRL. -The Tigers v Cows was a glaring example of some shady stuff To me it was a glaring example of a **** up in reffing as opposed to anything shady. Sometimes refs make a balls of it. Examples: Soccer: Choose any of the VAR controversies from the PL this season. If we're arguing that bad reffing calls are part of a conspiracy, then the PL must be neck deep in it, way worse than NRL. NFL: plenty of calls during the year, most notably the penalty aginst the Eagles at the end of the super bowl to put the Chiefs in position to kick the winning field goal. Rugby: All we're hearing for the last 3 or 4 years is how they want to get dangerous high challenges out of the game. 6 nations Ireland v France, French prop shoulder to the head of Irish prop, ref only yellow cards it. He was subsequently banned for 6 weeks I think. Conspiracy to keep him on the field? No. Terrible call by ref? Yes -The rules are inarguably open to interpretation Of course they are. Just about all field contact sports are the exact same. Examples: Soccer: whats a red card in one game isn't even a booking in the next. Same for penalties. NFL: Pass interference called one play, next play not called for something worse. Rugby: Scrum and ruck penalties- dont even get me started. Every sport has problems with the way the rules are applied. I always remark that after a big game in any sport, it's very rare that the debate isn't about a crucial call that was wrong or missed, as opposed to the actual play in the game. -Refs are suddenly game managers not refs Again same as above. Same as all other sports. Of course they're managing the game. The idea that refs should go out and strictly apply the rules with no leeway either way is non sensical. Examples: Soccer: The first 10 minutes or so of a game will generally see the ref be more lenient with players as they get the feel of the game. A bad tackle that would normally be a guaranteed yellow might just get a talking to. Rugby: A ref will be real hard to lay down a marker early for the players so they know he's not taking any shit, and once they realise that, the ref puts the whistle away a bit. Managing the game. It's the way it should be. -Teams behind getting leg ups. To be fair I do think this happens sometimes, but I would suggest it has as much to do with unconscious bias as much as anything else. -Teams getting hard draws v easy draws This is driven by TV ratings really. And historic rivalries. From our point of view as Bronco fans, the Bronco's always rate high on Tv, so they want them playing the big boys. Is there a fairer way of doing the draw without serious upheaval to the whole setup of the comp? I don't think so. -Majority of advertising revenue comes from gambling agencies. As above, although I'm less sure of this, how long have gambling agencies been the main revenue? I would have thought it is a more recent thing. In which case the conspiracy theory was around before the gambling agencies got involved. Which renders the point invalid. I follow a lot of sports, and controversy is never far away in any of them. And it's normally caused by refs. And the simple fact is they make mistakes, sometimes unbelievable mistakes. It's a high pressure situation for them too. The ones looking at screens to make calls sometimes can't even get them right. Does that mean there's a conspiracy in the NRL, the Premier League, the NFL, the 6 Nations and loads of other sports to manufacture games and competitions to achieve certain results and outcomes? Not for me anyway. Sorry for such a long post. [/QUOTE]

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