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Message: [QUOTE="Big Pete, post: 2547242, member: 1899"] While fans over-exagerated (shock gasp) I don't think Stuart has been that instrumental in a lot of careers. Just using the examples you gave... Bulldogs - That was the Bulldogs third Jersey Flegg premiership winning team and a lot of those players had already been established under Kevin Moore or Terry Lamb who coached the Dogs to a First Division win in 2000. You could argue JT but really he didn't become the player he did until he linked up with Graham Murray. Roosters - Sticky took over at just the right time. Now credit to him, these were definitely his greatest years as a coach but he did barely anything in regards to development and it's pretty easy to be succesful when you have a legend like Brad Fittler all to yourself. Let's go through some of the names listed Minichiello - Was already a gun back before Sticky got there, scoring 14 tries the previous season. Hodges - He came through our system and we invested heavily into his development only for him to come along and poach him. Smart recruitment from the Roosters, not a whole lot of work involved there and look at the player he was in 2004. Finch - Developed at the Raiders from 99-02 before the Roosters pinched him, got one good season out of him and then he became a walking punchline. Flannery - Developed under Murray, was never that much to write home about. A solid player who could get a job done. Hegarty - Developed under Murray, decent finisher for a time but like a lot of wingers, once he lost his speed he didn't have anything else to offer. Crocker - Developed under Murray, became a hot head under Stuart to the point where the club was happy to get rid of him. Bellamy revived his career for a time before he began to slow down. Fitzgibbon - Had already played two grand finals before Stuart came aboard. Wing - Was already a player to watch in his Souths days and was already a weapon for the Roosters by 2001 where he scored 16 tries. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The only name that really stands out to me as a player he truly developed was Tupou and even then it was sort of a self fulfilling prophecy because he only made his rep debut after Sticky selected him for the Tri Nations in 06. If anything, there are more examples of careers Sticky stuffed up at the Roosters than any of them he made. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Both Bird and Gallen were already well on their way before Sticky arrived. At one point in 06 they had the best backrow going and were entrenched in the Top 4 until a losing streak (which we started) saw them fall out of the 8. By the time Stuart arrived, Gallen had already played Origin and Bird was on his way and if anything, it took until 2011 for Gallen to become the player he did at Origin level. There maybe other examples of players he did develop, but they don't come to mind right away. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parramatta is going to be an interesting team to look at in years to come because Sticky did blood a ton of players last year and it'll be interesting to see if many players really step up. Similar story with the Raiders. [/QUOTE]

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