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Message: [QUOTE="Organix, post: 3423801, member: 8187"] I often wonder why more plays aren't made in the Billy Slater "dropkick" fashion. Just drop the ball and toe it and say it was a dropkick, regardless of whether you're perpendicular to the posts. Also, why not ground the ball with the torso more and take the hands out of the equation, á la Jamie Lyons. Unfortunately, the rules are perhaps a little unfair in this, but as someone else mentioned, passing off the ground is the same. Ball playing arm scrapes the ground, it's a tackle. If it did, I wouldn't be surprised. Well, the forward momentum has stopped. The referee declares held. Simple. Otherwise the players would just stand there for an eternity. Defending players are coached to put players on their backs precisely to stop the ball-playing arm from touching the ground and instantly effecting the tackle, thus slowing the ruck, allowing the defence to set. In these cases, the ref determines when the tackle is complete. What should happen with the try attempts, when a player is on his back, as soon as their elbow with the ball touches the ground, it's called held. If they do it all in one spin, and get the ball down, it's a try. I don't understand why you are saying Big Del and Kimlo are wrong. How do you watch the game and not scream at the ref every time the ref calls held when the player isn't moving forward? Hosking just got unlucky in scraping the ground and then reaching out further. It's a stickler rule, but if it happened against us, I'd be sighing with relief at the stupid rule. Shit happens. [/QUOTE]

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