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Message: [QUOTE="Mustafur, post: 3643865, member: 10189"] I don't think that the traps theory is a reliable method because lifters tend to train their whole body equally where a Rugby League player wouldn't, traps are very much a muscle that is heavily focused on and basically every player has large traps, even Walsh has them popping out. It would take atleast 5 years of constant growth to have them close to the level you see in footy players though, but they would be undertrained in other areas too to keep the weight down as at the end of the day it's an athletic sport. The biggest giveaway for roids though is the skin, you can't hide the reddish tone even if you get lucky and have no acne. Players like Staggs and Riki who clearly have elite genetics could literally have bodies that others on the gear couldn't even achieve so just looking at the definition alone can be deceptive. Literally all it takes in modern sport to get away with years of juicing in your team is getting your hands on a test hiding drug that hasn't had a counter measure made to detect it yet, these get developed all the time and the detection is often years or decades behind. I would say to avoid a situation like Cronulla got into would be to only have a controlled set of people involved in it, If penrith were doing such a thing it would likely be their players with an extensive junior career with them, as well as select staff they know will be long termers or lifers in the organisation(like a Alfie equivalent in the club for example). Of course it's all a conspiracy but there is definitely something fishy with some players, I would say To'o for me is the most obvious juicer, especially with the constant Acne he gets and how blocky his build is which looks unachievable even with the best genetics. There is also the possibility of certain players having this all setup themselves as lone wolfs, which is in main way it happens. If you were to ask me on that Ethan Strange is the one that stands out for me, given his young age and the amount of time required to build a body like what he has it doesn't add up to me. [/QUOTE]

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