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Message: [QUOTE="BroncsFan, post: 3310223, member: 9052"] No ... I can't see how "the play starts when the ball clears the ruck" is correct. There are occurences where the ball is dropped in the act of playing the ball, but the ref calls an error instantly... there are occasions on those types of plays where a player will pick the ball up and run off to score only for the ref to call them back and claim "the play has ended because he has lost it in the ruck"... and then idiot commentators to say "why isn't that play on??" Any other situation a knock on is play on if the opposing team picks it up cleanly... unless you are suggesting the tackle, the play the ball/ruck and clearance of the ruck are all different situations in the game... and if that is the case then the ref called an end to the tackle and the error occurred in the ruck anyway... so the roosters should only be able to challenge what happened in the situation where the ref has called time off i.e. the ruck These are fundamental principles of the game... they absolutely must be known by the ref... and they cannot suddenly change them after they have already made a ruling, which is what Klein did... so are we to believe that Teddy is now the new Cam Smith as an onfield ref or is Klein incompetent, corrupt or weak as piss to be manipulated by a player he is meant to be adjudicating over? Any of those options means that Klein is not qualified to be a referee [/QUOTE]

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