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Message: [QUOTE="papabear, post: 3497472, member: 8480"] from memory that wildly swinging elbow was as a result of a broncos players putting a big hit on the raiders player. I.e. the elbow to the head was contacting the second man in not a wildly swinging elbow at the first man. From a raiders perspective:- Two knock ons were called against us due to adam reynolds refereeing which imo the replays didnt show a drop, the ball shifting in your own hands is fine (so long as it doesnt contact the ground or the opponent. The challenged call depends on the rule - it was forward of the hands then backwards off his legs (without contacting the ground or opponent in between). Maybe this was right but usually a ref would call a knock back in the field of play if the ball ends up going backwards. For the first 60 minutes we didnt get one holding down or head high penalty (marginal ones of these happen all the time in rugby league) for instance i think it was late in the second half reece walsh was falling and got taken slightly high on a nothing tackle off a kick return and got the penalty. I dont recall any midfield 3/4th tackle penalties going to the raiders I recall two going to the broncos. These are the worst as you have to defend 10 tackles in a row and they are usually as a result of a good kick, the defending team putting pressure on and the ref going with some home town harry get em on side ref crap. switches the momentum... whereas the 10 tackles in a row on your try line are usually as a result of the defensive team (maybe not on purpose) but not being particular enthusiastic to get off the tackle as they dont want to risk a fast ptb... and the attacking team already has momentum. I think the raiders finished with 46% or so of possession. The raiders were playing with 1 - kris - back up 2 - rapana 3 - croker - back up to kris and had been behind HSS until he showed what a bog average footy player he was. 4 - timoko 5 - hoppa - back up to cotric 6 - schneider -back to frawley who is the back up to wighton. 7 - fogarty 8 - papa - not a back up but still warming up to the season.... 9 - woolford - back up to levi, dont know why as he is better but levi had to get his jaw broken for levi to be picked. 10 - emre guler - benchie - one of the softest middles going around got the starting gig due to tapines first child being born. 11 - Hudson Young 12 - whitehead - should not be ahead of CHN but ricky is special in that regard. 13 - horsbrough That game was there for the broncos to win, the raiders fired up and played committed for the full 80 minutes but the skill level and size clearly had a disparity in the broncos favour. You just had 5 in a row came up against a team who had just been pumped and ultimately lost the effort battle which is huge in rugby league. As for the rapana situation, best case scenario for the broncos was starting the play the ball for the raiders. Rapana has a bad rap as a milker so perhaps thats why the rf thought he dropped the ball to force a situation, but once the ref looked at it you could hardly give a different decision the way the game is reffed nowadays taupaus knee at full steam to the head without another player in the tackle, you know if you go full steam in rugby league without any laterla balance it can go wrong. He was trying to make a play for his team and it didn't work, happens in every second game. Similarly Papalii copped a shoulder to the face and the ref / video ref called play on and you can rest assured if that was papaliis shoulder to someone elses face 9 times out ten in the same circumstances a penalty is given. [/QUOTE]

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