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Message: [QUOTE="Fitzy, post: 3689502, member: 9881"] Honestly the more and more I see and hear of Patty and mind you I’m a fair bit younger than most of you lot probably are the more I see a self absorbed, ego driven, fuckboy that has figured out how to image himself. Payne no doubt has had his issues but **** me has he ever persevered through them. Not many face the tribulations that Payne have and are positioned the way he is at 25. I have the utmost respect for everything he has done and for me it seems he is out here leading from the front, demanding an increase in levels from the players from day dot. I am 100% aware that Patty had the whole Kangaroos tour and it’s unreasonable to expect him to be there day 1 but Payne was injured and he was out there demanding train and trials mind you to work harder, addressing the squad, doing extras on top of his rehab to prove to Madge he was ready to join in as early as possible. Don’t get me wrong I think Patty would be good but I think there is just something with Payne that you can see him leading and creating something really special as a leader. Sometimes you have to take a risk and to be honest I couldn’t think of a better character to lead this group. What Patty brings is already on the table I don’t think he can bring any more than he already does or could other than being a “great” image. But respectfully just cause he knows how to market himself doesn’t make him that good of a role model. He is one of the few that has decided to live at Burleigh having no affiliation to the Gold Coast, he is obsessed with his peak testosterone image, he hangs around the titans boys far to much which if you ever want to know anything about poor behaviour, standards, habits and culture deriving from off-field start with them. As much as there is some good and great qualities about him, I’m going to go as far as say Pat Carrigan represents and epitomises everything that is wrong with this group. You want a change in standards and improvements from what we have seen respectfully Pat Carrigan is not the man to bring you that. AT ALL. Might be unpopular opinion but yeah Pat just doesn’t fill me with as much confidence as he once did. Payne on the other hand has well and truely overcome and persevered his off-field issues and has become an admirable leader, guardian and supporter of his brothers and kid (soon to be kids) alongside his partner, he posts his very quickly evolving family constantly as his pride and joy, he is beyond a role model considering the standards he sets at the club and what he does off-field is beyond a contrast to Pat. I will argue tooth and nail with anyone that wants to argue that Payne is not the utmost role model at that club. I’m not a Payne Haas fan boy by any means when it comes to pure footy my preference as a player leans towards Pat but at the end of the day Pat will always be his talkative self on the field. In every other regard I think Payne wins and wins comfortably. I back Madge’s call but if it was up to me I’d seriously consider and likely choose Payne. [/QUOTE]

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