Blake Ferguson Sacked by Raiders
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I know thats only tongue in cheek, but he does play heaps wider in union, i guess that helps
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There is a good reason why so many dislike Mundine. Actually there are several reasons why and they are shared by the majority of sports fans and the wider public.
Firstly, his self aggrandisement . Not only did he speak of himself in the third person but he claimed to be the greatest and the best. He had no right to do so, that description is ours, the public to bestow.
Secondly his achievements were intended for only the 2 % of Australia who were indigenous , something he constantly repeated. As he often said " I'm doin this for mah people ". In short, his racism.
Thirdly his poor sportsmanship . He denigrated those who beat him and belittled those he thought inferior ( the rest of humanity )
Fourthly, his idiotic statements following the tragic events of sep11 in America. Coupled with his childlike understanding of world events and his obvious lack of education makes him ill placed to comment.
For a lot of us he represents what is wrong with the media circus. He is a clown. Good for an idiotic comment. What I find most offensive about Mundine is his complete and utter inability to be his own man. He read about ( probably had read to him ) Cassius Clay/ Muhammad Ali and tried to live his life rather than his own. Ali claimed to be the greatest and he was. It was a different era and he truly was fighting for black rights. Mundine had no need to fight for those rights, they were in existence already, that fight had been won already. Mundines father was a better fighter and like Lockyer was a humble hero. Mundine converted to the Muslim faith, following the Ali script.
If he had of been a lot less of a show off and been his own man and let us decide if he was the best he would probably have been universally loved.
Firstly, his self aggrandisement . Not only did he speak of himself in the third person but he claimed to be the greatest and the best. He had no right to do so, that description is ours, the public to bestow.
Secondly his achievements were intended for only the 2 % of Australia who were indigenous , something he constantly repeated. As he often said " I'm doin this for mah people ". In short, his racism.
Thirdly his poor sportsmanship . He denigrated those who beat him and belittled those he thought inferior ( the rest of humanity )
Fourthly, his idiotic statements following the tragic events of sep11 in America. Coupled with his childlike understanding of world events and his obvious lack of education makes him ill placed to comment.
For a lot of us he represents what is wrong with the media circus. He is a clown. Good for an idiotic comment. What I find most offensive about Mundine is his complete and utter inability to be his own man. He read about ( probably had read to him ) Cassius Clay/ Muhammad Ali and tried to live his life rather than his own. Ali claimed to be the greatest and he was. It was a different era and he truly was fighting for black rights. Mundine had no need to fight for those rights, they were in existence already, that fight had been won already. Mundines father was a better fighter and like Lockyer was a humble hero. Mundine converted to the Muslim faith, following the Ali script.
If he had of been a lot less of a show off and been his own man and let us decide if he was the best he would probably have been universally loved.
- Aug 27, 2008
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Couldn't agree more
Mundine had a lot of talent and could have been one of the best in Rugby League
Problem was, he thought he already was the best, and so never fulfilled his potential
Then claimed racism cost him rep honors
Head so far up his own **** he has no concept of reality
A guy like Darren Lockyer deserves (in fact demands) resepct
Mundine deserves a punch in head
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And when he cops plenty, he still has the nerve to say he won, or the contest was rigged. **** that guy.
Broncoman
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Couldn't have said it better myself well done CF. I have no doubt if Mundine stayed on in Rugby League for another year at least he would've been one of the first players picked for NSW and Australia, unfortunately for him he chickened out and ran away from the game in his prime.
theshed
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I don't disagree with this, and completely see why people would dislike it. I assure you, so does he. He puts on this character, heavily inspired by Ali, as a marketing ploy. Whether or not it was the right path is questionable but you can't deny its effectiveness.
I think this point boarders on racism itself. Showing a people that is still facing huge social inequality that they can be successful is not what makes him racist. Some of his other comments may be considered racist but representing his people isn't a reason to hate someone. I think its a result of you being uncomfortable with them as a people but I don't want to speculate on your personal views.
Completely agree with these points. They a idiotic but I still feel its part of marketing himself as a "heel". Combined with a real want to speak about injustice without the required mental ability to pick the right causes to battle for.
Though I agree he is doing a poor impression of Ali in front of the press, the bold line is possibly the most naive comment I've seen on this board. Completely incorrect.
I've met Mundine a couple times and he was extremely humble and friendly in person. I think his media persona is lame and try hard but it sells tickets so if he's happy to be the bad guy than thats his choice.
All that aside though, what careers has he ruined again?
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Home from work and back in range ! Although I did not write as much I had understood his ploy to attract attention to his fights and I could see how you might have been hoodwinked into thinking this was his plan. Mundine was an arrogant egotist long long before his first fight. It was not a clever plan and ,he really is just a nice guy playing the role is not true. Mundine suffers/suffered from poor self esteem hence the big noting to hide his doubt. When he left Brisbane he was asked why, his answer was WB/the Broncos did not treat him as the special talent he was. He believed he deserved to be put on a pedestal.
As for your belief that my comments about representing his people reflects a somewhat racist belief of my own I can only say I reject that outright. Mundine identifies as aboriginal as is his right but, he owes much much more to other races. He is only partially aboriginal and that part is a minority. By all means champion aboriginal causes but rights as enjoyed by all Australians ,aboriginals already have. The aboriginal community has the same rights as all others and it can be reasonably be argued they have greater rights.
He very reasonably wants aboriginal people to be better off but unlike Ali he has never needed to fight for a right.
As for your belief that my comments about representing his people reflects a somewhat racist belief of my own I can only say I reject that outright. Mundine identifies as aboriginal as is his right but, he owes much much more to other races. He is only partially aboriginal and that part is a minority. By all means champion aboriginal causes but rights as enjoyed by all Australians ,aboriginals already have. The aboriginal community has the same rights as all others and it can be reasonably be argued they have greater rights.
He very reasonably wants aboriginal people to be better off but unlike Ali he has never needed to fight for a right.
theshed
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This is horrendous. You come across as completely ignorant to the reality of race in Australia, and what the **** are you talking about 'not needing to fight for' improved conditions for aboriginals? That is insanity. I'm sure the mods would prefer us to stay on topic and not get into a race debate though.
I don't particularly like Mundine either, though I did meet him and he was a great guy.Much nicer than most of the footballers I've come into contact with, who are gearing off their faces and trying to fight people.
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KingWebcke
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Mundine is born to parents who are both Indigenous Australians.
and how does he 'owe much much more to other races'? What does that even mean? His success is his own. he doesn't owe it to the benevolence of 'other races'
i don't like the idea of derailing this discussion any further but he has plenty of reasons to champion the causes of his people. Aborigines fall well behind the rest of Australia in so many categories, from general health, infant mortality, life expectancy, suicide rates, employment right through to education. they are one of the most disadvantaged communities in the developed world and in many areas you still find diseases (like trachoma) that are generally only endemic to 3rd world countries.
Who cares whether they have the same 'rights' as the rest of Australia. They are an extremely disadvantaged community and they need people to champion their cause. whether Mundine is successfully doing that is a separate issue but they need someone to fight for them just as the African Americans did in the 70s
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Please re read my post. I did not say Mundine did not need to fight for improved conditions, quite the contrary in fact. You seem to be confused as to what a 'right' is. My last line highlights the fact that I believe he is right to fight for better conditions and earlier in my post I wrote ' by all means champion aboriginal causes'. I can only assume your indignation led you to miss those obvious statements .
I say again , he has never needed to fight for aboriginal 'rights' and is entitled to fight for better outcomes for aboriginal people. I hope that is clear enough. I agree there is no need for a lengthy discussion about this matter.
I say again , he has never needed to fight for aboriginal 'rights' and is entitled to fight for better outcomes for aboriginal people. I hope that is clear enough. I agree there is no need for a lengthy discussion about this matter.
KingWebcke
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which leads to the question why did you bring up the issue of fighting black rights in the first place? you apparently understand and are sympathetic to Mundine's aims of improving the conditions of Indigenous Australians, yet you chose to instead deride him for trying to fight for 'rights' like Ali. A straw man argument really.
also worth pointing out that the distinction you've drawn between 'rights' and improved conditions is one of semantics. I would argue that as Australians we have a right to quality health care, education and an opportunity to escape the socio-economic position we were born into. many Aborigines do not have those - regardless of their 'legal rights'.
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Another forum perhaps would be better suited to a discussion about the aboriginal plight. I'll simply say I understand well the situation as it currently stands and just like you I want a good outcome. I believe such an outcome is achievable but it can only be gained when both sides of the divide work towards it. Unfortunately currently only some on both sides want a resolution.
hidethesuspect
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Won't be long before the entire playing squad of Canberra are all sacked for breaking the rules. Good luck Canberra!
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Over at LeagueFreak one of the writers has argued that what Ferguson has done is exactly the same as what SBW did to the Bulldogs. The only difference being that he didn't leave the country. I find it hard to argue, which means that a similar punishment, ie, not allowed to play in the NRL for the remainder of his Raiders contract, is potentially justifiable.
