VOTE Next Queensland coach.
- Thread starter Foordy
- Start date
broncos4life
International Captain
- Oct 5, 2011
- 26,595
- 27,251
I wasn't saying that as a comparison to Walters, just on green himself. I have nothing to base that he will be a Ricky Stuart other than a hunch
Big Pete
International Captain
- Mar 12, 2008
- 32,207
- 25,950
I don't want Green as Maroons coach.
With that said, I don't understand the Steven Bradbury comparison. I understand there's a lot of bitterness and resentment but Green has done a really good job at the Cowboys and unlike Stuart who inherited a great squad in a prime position to win a premiership, Green had to make some tough choices. For instance, when Lachlan Coote went down at the 2014 Auckland 9s, that could have easily been the Cowboys entire season down the drain. However, instead of fretting on it, Green went with Morgan and as a result was really able to develop him into a representative standard player. Similar story with Taumalolo who went from a good prospect to one of the best forwards in the game (albeit, he's overrated. There's no way he had a better year than Corey Parker as per the Dally Ms).
He's also made a ton of astute signings. The likes of Granville, Lowe & Asiata were great blue-chip pick-ups and gave him room to bring up guys like Hannant & O'Neil who were desperate for a change of pace. Where as Henry usually brought in whatever talent he could get his hands on to compliment his stars, Green brought in a bunch of under-valued players and justifiably reaped the rewards.
If I had any gripe with him as a coach, and this is crucial at Origin is that I don't think he's great at getting his teams up for the big games. I know that's an odd thing to say about a guy who just won a Grand Final, but consider some of the Cowboys losses this season.
Round 1 vs Roosters
Round 3 vs Broncos
Round 22 vs Cronulla
Round 23 vs Souths
Round 25 vs Melbourne
Finals Week 1 vs Broncos
All big games and yet the Cowboys failed to play their best footy in most of them. I thought they played well against the Broncos, but were simply out-classed on that particular evening.
Stephen Bradbury? Nah, he's more mystical than that. How about Houdini?
Consider all the games where the Cowboys were able to pull a rabbit out of the hat.
Round 4 vs Melbourne - JT with the ultimate clutch performance
Round 7 vs Warriors - Granville stealing the win from the Warriors
Round 9 vs Bulldogs - Morgan running away with the victory
Round 12 vs Manly - Granville/Coote combining for a dramatic victory
Round 13 vs Eels - Biggest comeback of the season
Round 21 vs Raiders - Another comeback performance, from 18-4 down to 32-24 victors.
And of course the Grand Final with THAT play.
While it's good to have players fight until the final whistle, you really don't want to find yourself in that position as often as the Cowboys did. Especially at Origin level where defensive resolve is key and once you lose momentum it's incredibly hard to wrestle it back.
With that said, I don't understand the Steven Bradbury comparison. I understand there's a lot of bitterness and resentment but Green has done a really good job at the Cowboys and unlike Stuart who inherited a great squad in a prime position to win a premiership, Green had to make some tough choices. For instance, when Lachlan Coote went down at the 2014 Auckland 9s, that could have easily been the Cowboys entire season down the drain. However, instead of fretting on it, Green went with Morgan and as a result was really able to develop him into a representative standard player. Similar story with Taumalolo who went from a good prospect to one of the best forwards in the game (albeit, he's overrated. There's no way he had a better year than Corey Parker as per the Dally Ms).
He's also made a ton of astute signings. The likes of Granville, Lowe & Asiata were great blue-chip pick-ups and gave him room to bring up guys like Hannant & O'Neil who were desperate for a change of pace. Where as Henry usually brought in whatever talent he could get his hands on to compliment his stars, Green brought in a bunch of under-valued players and justifiably reaped the rewards.
If I had any gripe with him as a coach, and this is crucial at Origin is that I don't think he's great at getting his teams up for the big games. I know that's an odd thing to say about a guy who just won a Grand Final, but consider some of the Cowboys losses this season.
Round 1 vs Roosters
Round 3 vs Broncos
Round 22 vs Cronulla
Round 23 vs Souths
Round 25 vs Melbourne
Finals Week 1 vs Broncos
All big games and yet the Cowboys failed to play their best footy in most of them. I thought they played well against the Broncos, but were simply out-classed on that particular evening.
Stephen Bradbury? Nah, he's more mystical than that. How about Houdini?
Consider all the games where the Cowboys were able to pull a rabbit out of the hat.
Round 4 vs Melbourne - JT with the ultimate clutch performance
Round 7 vs Warriors - Granville stealing the win from the Warriors
Round 9 vs Bulldogs - Morgan running away with the victory
Round 12 vs Manly - Granville/Coote combining for a dramatic victory
Round 13 vs Eels - Biggest comeback of the season
Round 21 vs Raiders - Another comeback performance, from 18-4 down to 32-24 victors.
And of course the Grand Final with THAT play.
While it's good to have players fight until the final whistle, you really don't want to find yourself in that position as often as the Cowboys did. Especially at Origin level where defensive resolve is key and once you lose momentum it's incredibly hard to wrestle it back.
tommy
International Rep
- Jun 5, 2015
- 13,129
- 13,901
Is that it ? That's what you're bringing to the debate ? One word ? How 'bout telling us why it's delusional .I personally would love to hear your reasons .
broncos4life
International Captain
- Oct 5, 2011
- 26,595
- 27,251
Can you please elaborate as to what parts you find delusional and why?
- Sep 6, 2013
- 56,475
- 68,956
I'm not saying that I disagree with you but given we had the same coach for ten of those years since 2002, it is not a strong argument.
- Sep 6, 2013
- 56,475
- 68,956
You also forgot to read your own post. ;)
Big Pete
International Captain
- Mar 12, 2008
- 32,207
- 25,950
I know what I said, I was just covering for the 'Um actually, Ricky won it in 2005 when he was coaching the Roosters' response, forgetting of course he was up against Michael Hagan, also a club coach.
I just thought people would think on it, instead of looking to one-up themselves.
I just thought people would think on it, instead of looking to one-up themselves.
- Sep 6, 2013
- 56,475
- 68,956
I don't think you need to get so defensive, I was making a perfectly valid point reading your response and I would think people would be able to realize I was responding to what was actually written instead of resorting to mind-reading as you seem to be implying people should be able to do.
Your priority needs to be the best coach, not the best of some.
Origin camp has changed a lot in the last 10 years and especially since 2002, Qld have very good systems in place and camp is seamless with everyone knowing and doing their job. Staff has increased three times the amount in that time.
I think a club coach can do it; Cowboys might see differently which I can understand but the best coach has to be the priority.
- Sep 6, 2013
- 56,475
- 68,956
Well your assertions as to my IQ escalated quickly. Mental note, don't make a valid point in a discussion with you, I got it.
And I dare say, most people would have viewed my response as pretty rational as most would know I'm not the type to 'one up' other posters. I normally enjoy reading your posts but do feel your response has been a little uncalled for.
Last edited:
