David Taylor

no, one of the main reasons he left is because he felt he was unwanted at the broncos, as he was playing qcup. he wasn't being given game time at the start of the year to show his worth, and for some reason they kept dropping him, and keeping other under performers like michaels in the team. even through the origin period when we had heeps of players unavailable, taylor couldn't get a run. this was the final straw and he left. now it seems like they know they made a mistake not playing him earlier in the year.

i saw no reason why he kept getting dropped. he was playing decent footy, but ivan wasn't giving him enough minutes to prove himself. lately he's been playing 80 and showing his worth.
 
andirect said:
no, one of the main reasons he left is because he felt he was unwanted at the broncos, as he was playing qcup. he wasn't being given game time at the start of the year to show his worth, and for some reason they kept dropping him, and keeping other under performers like michaels in the team. even through the origin period when we had heeps of players unavailable, taylor couldn't get a run. this was the final straw and he left. now it seems like they know they made a mistake not playing him earlier in the year.

i saw no reason why he kept getting dropped. he was playing decent footy, but ivan wasn't giving him enough minutes to prove himself. lately he's been playing 80 and showing his worth.
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I think you have some fair points there. Michaels seemed to be a protected species for some reason.
 
andirect said:
no, one of the main reasons he left is because he felt he was unwanted at the broncos, as he was playing qcup. he wasn't being given game time at the start of the year to show his worth, and for some reason they kept dropping him, and keeping other under performers like michaels in the team. even through the origin period when we had heeps of players unavailable, taylor couldn't get a run. this was the final straw and he left. now it seems like they know they made a mistake not playing him earlier in the year.

i saw no reason why he kept getting dropped. he was playing decent footy, but ivan wasn't giving him enough minutes to prove himself. lately he's been playing 80 and showing his worth.
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I disagree he wasn't playing good football at all... in fact most of the time i barely even noticed him when he was on the field... and BTW last night was the only time he has ever played 80 mins.
 
IMO: Taylor signed with Souths solely on the money they offered him.
 
Taylor has quite simply not yet lived up to his 'potential' or hype. Yep this past few weeks he has played awesome, but like Rock said, it has taken 20 weeks of this season for him to show form.

I have said it before and will say it again - first grade props are NOT 20/21 - they are mid 20s to mid-3os. They should not be rushed into first grade and need to be given the time to develop. This has been the crux of the problem between Taylor and the Broncos - he thought he should be playing first grade every week, the coaching staff wanted him to take the time in the lower grades to develop properly. His attitude and his on field performance the past couple of years and early this year was that he did not agree with the Broncos' plans for him to take the time to develop properly into a truly great prop, Souths offered him a ton of money and the promise of regular First Grade, so he took it and good luck to him, most people would do the same thing in his position.

I expect that like all young forwards that are rushed into first grade (eg Sonny Bill), over the next couple of years he will start to develop quite a few injuries, as his body is not yet ready for the demands of a full time first grade forward.

I hope I'm wrong and I hope he does become the great prop that he still has the potential to be (and yes it is still just potential at this stage IMO). But I think the Broncos were right to let him sign with Souths - there is no way he is yet worth the reported $300,000 a season Souths will be paying him.
 
Taylor has said he is a back in a fowards body.
 
I agree with Flutterby ... that in the interest of the future of young props that they shouldn't be rushed. Look at the number of forwards that have gone over to England. Why? Because they know it will be easier on their body, with more pay. On average, I reckon there's my Australian and NZ forwards in England than backs.

You can't overlook the role of player managers in negotiations. Are manager's that concerned with a player's pathway throughout a career? Or they just want to get the biggest contract available, regardless of other factors?

Well, they are on a commission aren't then?
 
The Rock said:
Fact is, Taylor wasn't patient and decided to be a little bit greedy.
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Hmmm, tad harsh perhaps. I'm sure if most of us were offered 100K extra to shift workplaces we'd take it.
 
dominik said:
Foordy said:
^^^ i don't think the Brisbane management show Taylor the Door, they just weren't prepared at the time to match the Souths massive offer
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I have a feeling he would have stayed for a reasonable offer -- not the ridiculous money Souths paid -- if they gave him a starting spot.

The guy would have been a moron to pass up the deal he was offered to spend another year either on the Broncos bench or playing for the Comets every other week.

Ivan and Bruno screwed this one up.

How many forwards are going around at 21 who are a solid 115kg (not a pile of flab or a 6'5" beanpole), who can skillfully pass and offload, who aren't always breaking down, and are capable of bulldozing through packs and breaking a game open like he can? Sure he makes a few defensive errors and gives away the odd penalty but to put things in perspective: how good were Webcke and Petero at the same age?

We had something unique in Taylor and we've lost him.
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Webcke and Petero were never on what Taylor wanted at his age.

Taylor is still inconsistant, two good games in ayear doesn't make a great player, and doesn't make a player consistant. Let's see how he goes next year, and the year after that. I don't think we should sign players to huge contracts when all they have shown is potential and not lived up to it for so long.
 
Fact is, Broncos have been using him wrong. There is no way a 20 year old can play consistently in the ruck all year in both attack and defense. I've said it before on here that whilst he's learning the ropes he's needed to be used as a big backrower, and now that he is it's finally paying dividends.
 
Flutterby said:
Taylor has quite simply not yet lived up to his 'potential' or hype. Yep this past few weeks he has played awesome, but like Rock said, it has taken 20 weeks of this season for him to show form.

I have said it before and will say it again - first grade props are NOT 20/21 - they are mid 20s to mid-3os. They should not be rushed into first grade and need to be given the time to develop. This has been the crux of the problem between Taylor and the Broncos - he thought he should be playing first grade every week, the coaching staff wanted him to take the time in the lower grades to develop properly. His attitude and his on field performance the past couple of years and early this year was that he did not agree with the Broncos' plans for him to take the time to develop properly into a truly great prop, Souths offered him a ton of money and the promise of regular First Grade, so he took it and good luck to him, most people would do the same thing in his position.

I expect that like all young forwards that are rushed into first grade (eg Sonny Bill), over the next couple of years he will start to develop quite a few injuries, as his body is not yet ready for the demands of a full time first grade forward.

I hope I'm wrong and I hope he does become the great prop that he still has the potential to be (and yes it is still just potential at this stage IMO). But I think the Broncos were right to let him sign with Souths - there is no way he is yet worth the reported $300,000 a season Souths will be paying him.
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100% on the money. Great post. [eusa_clap.gi
 
Arguments are fair both ways but I'm with we made the right call on this one. I'm not a fan of other team supporters wailing "Wow the Broncs are so stupid, how can you let DT go?" without knowing the full context of why.

For what it is worth, I hope he goes great at Souths but I have no doubt whatsoever - it would have been better for his career to stay at the Broncos. (He might come back but the next 3 years is still crucial for his development)
 
Perhaps there are better ways for us to spend $350k and to say no to signing Taylor is understandable on that front. However, losing Hunt and signing nobody is in no way, shape or form, a better use of money than signing Taylor. It's simply wrong to claim that re-signing Taylor would have been a poor use of money when that money is not being spent, particularly in lieu of the Khunt's departure.
 
Ari Gold said:
Perhaps there are better ways for us to spend $350k and to say no to signing Taylor is understandable on that front. However, losing Hunt and signing nobody is in no way, shape or form, a better use of money than signing Taylor. It's simply wrong to claim that re-signing Taylor would have been a poor use of money when that money is not being spent, particularly in lieu of the Khunt's departure.
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Exactly the club has made no attempt to strenghten the side for next year and we have lost KHUNT and Taylor who has always been a match winner but is only now hitting his straps.
 
Taylor signed with Souths on about the 14th May.
 
The Rock said:
[quote="Ari Gold":nmpriz4x]Perhaps there are better ways for us to spend $350k and to say no to signing Taylor is understandable on that front. However, losing Hunt and signing nobody is in no way, shape or form, a better use of money than signing Taylor. It's simply wrong to claim that re-signing Taylor would have been a poor use of money when that money is not being spent, particularly in lieu of the Khunt's departure.
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Well it depends.[/quote:nmpriz4x]

Not really. Even if Taylor may not have offered great value for his asking rate, it still would have been an exponentially better return on our money than what it's currently being spent on; which is nothing. Whatever money Taylor was on, and whatever money was offered to Hunt, is now free. And it will likely remain free. How is that value better value than spending it on Taylor, who even if he wasn't great at the time, still had the obvious potential. Granted, you don't want to spend overs on just potential, but it beats the hell out of spending it on nothing. The only thing that could be worse than spending money on nothing is spending it on Steve Michaels. Which, by the way, is what we are also doing.
 
I think you've somewhat missed my point. I'm not saying we should have thrown everything at him to keep him. I'm merely saying that it's preferable to having unspent money in the cap. As for what I would have done, I would have used the Hunt money to go after somebody like Poore, Mannah , Matt Scott etc.

I'm also saying that it's a pretty stupid argument to say it's right not to offer Taylor more money because it can be better spent. Clearly, it can't be; at least not by Bruno.

As for having to spend money. Honestly, it's not like we ever show a loss. What good is it having free space in the cap, particularly to the tune of Hunt's salary? It's like finishing an Origin game with conserved energy left in the tank. It's completely useless.

At the very least, I hope that from all of this Folau's contract is front-ended.
 
Once again, as Coxy has pointed out, I don't know how much faith can be placed on reported contract amounts. I have also read that Taylor signed at souths for $250k a year for three years.
 
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