David Taylor

Read in the paper that Taylors deal is $750k for 3 years - no way was he realistically worth that, regardless of how great he's played in 3 games. Yes I'm extremely disappointed that he's going, and I think that if Bennett had've given him more first grade time last year, and Henjak more this year, he would've stayed for what we offered him.
 
his best games at the same time as he is given his most minutes ... no coincidence there

diabolical decision to let Taylor leave ... on any date this year

stuff Henjak and Bruno ... what the heck are the board doing ... the club is hurtling backward

Oink !
 
He is a prop and 20 years old ... who in the entire NRL has his potential, plays prop, and is 20 years old ? Until now, out of necessity, he has never been given time on the field he clearly needed. We should have just copped his weight issues and form as part of his development. Such a star studded line up that plays large portions of almost every season with zero enthusiasm, yet we can't keep Taylor in the side for his development ? But of course our higher profile players that are taking up huge chunks of our cap are untouchable despite their poor attitude.

I just think it was a really dumb move to let him go. Should have paid him whatever was required. And I believe the reports he got 250k for 3 years. So if (?)we offered 220k ... ffs ... stretch it a little and extend by a year. If he stays fat in 18 months time, offload him, pay his salary for somebody else so it doesn't contribute to our cap and move on.

Yet another instance of where we could have flexed our financial muscle and chose not to. Perplexes me as much as not spending whatever it took to get the best coach. ie Bellamy.

As much as the next fan, I too hope that what they did on Friday night is a glimmer of light that glory is at least possible in 2009 ... while at the same time in the back of my head I'm thinking, wouldn't be a bad thing for us to miss the finals altogether prompting a real shake-up which is way overdue.

Oink !

ps ... I think Bruno should be sacked, Ivan should be sacked, Locky should be resigned for 200k total at the most and we should recruit a recruitment department that has a clue. But apart from being a harsh armchair critic, I shall follow them forever ... or until Easts Brisbane enter the comp, whichever comes first.
 
Pigskin said:
while at the same time in the back of my head I'm thinking, wouldn't be a bad thing for us to miss the finals altogether prompting a real shake-up which is way overdue.
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I think what's happened over the last 10 weeks shows that there has been the start of a good 'shake-up'. Professional players don't play that $hit and with that little effort for 8 weeks, then turn into world beaters overnight without having a reason to turn it around. Threats of sackings, disciplinary measures, being sent to reserve grade - whatever it was, it seems to have worked. Henjak won't let the players do that again, or the players will be looking for new teams. I get the feeling that dropping Michaels is just the start.
 
Taylor was in pretty ordinary form when he singed with souths. What did you seriously expect the Broncos management to do. Match a big offer from a rival club for a guy who had never really lived up to his supposed potential?

Hindsight is a wonderfult thing isn't it.
 
Pigskin said:
He is a prop and 20 years old ... who in the entire NRL has his potential, plays prop, and is 20 years old ?
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The last 3 weeks has proven he is anything but a prop. He needs to be wide so he can rest to last decent minutes.


Pigskin said:
Until now, out of necessity, he has never been given time on the field he clearly needed. We should have just copped his weight issues and form as part of his development.
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He has been getting game time in the Qcup until he earned a place in the NRL

Pigskin said:
Such a star studded line up that plays large portions of almost every season with zero enthusiasm, yet we can't keep Taylor in the side for his development ?
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Carl Webb anyone?

Pigskin said:
I just think it was a really dumb move to let him go. Should have paid him whatever was required. And I believe the reports he got 250k for 3 years. So if (?)we offered 220k ... ffs ... stretch it a little and extend by a year. If he stays fat in 18 months time, offload him, pay his salary for somebody else so it doesn't contribute to our cap and move on.
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So if we got him for 250k we would be paying him around 9.5k a game to play Qcup while he gets match fit because he won't do the work at training.

He has played 3 decent games all year which is about his average at the Broncs. Obviously the club can see his potential, but they had to make a decision based on what he had produced on and off the field which includes effort and attitude and that was 3 parts of f#@k all.
 
Pigskin said:
Yet another instance of where we could have flexed our financial muscle and chose not to. Perplexes me as much as not spending whatever it took to get the best coach. ie Bellamy.
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What you need to realise is that although we are the richest club in the league, doesn't mean we can "flex our financial muscle". there is this little thing called a SALARY CAPthat we need to abide by. paying anyone 250k a year to only hit form in rd 21 is a massive waste of space.

with regards to Bellamy, from all reports we offered him a massive deal, certainly much bigger that what the Storm offered him. the deal would have made him at least the 2nd highest paid coach in the game.

:roll: :roll:
 
And Bruno went out of his way to publicly criticise the Storm and Bellamy while we were looking for a new coach, so I doubt all the money in the world would've brought Bellamy to Brisbane.
 
Everybody has a price, Bellamy included.

Agree to disagree with the rest. Thought it was stupid to let him go, and said so at the time ... no hindsight Oxy.

Dexter - he is a prop and to suggest otherwise is just folly. His pace will be gone by age 22. We should have been carrying him in the NRL. After all we can carry many other "stars" despite them seemingly wishing to be out on the drink, so why can't we carry Dave also.

Hope he goes on to be a world beater ... to highlight how bad our recruitment and retention is.

Enough already
Oink !
 
Agree he will be a prop somewhere down the track but has demonstrated he can't play that position ATM, I can't agree we carry him in the top 17 based on potential.
I think part of his problem is everything has come so easy to him because he is so good, however being good without effort and a good attitude will not cut it at the top level. There is a long list of talented players who faded to nothing because they couldn't cope with the demands of being a professional rugby league player.
 
Foordy said:
with regards to Bellamy, from all reports we offered him a massive deal, certainly much bigger that what the Storm offered him. the deal would have made him at least the 2nd highest paid coach in the game.

:roll: :roll:
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Once again the dangers of believing "reports". I have it from someone quite close to the situation that Bellamy never even spoke to the Broncos and they in fact made him no offer. But I don't know that to be true 100% - the only ones who really know are Bellamy and Cullen I guess.
 
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Just because a player plays 3 great games out of a shit 3 years doesn't make them worth big bucks. 220k is more than generous. He doesn't understand the need to develop and the problem with peaking too early. Like Rock mentioned, Webb, O'Meley, Mason, Perry and if you want to add second rowers, Sonny Bill, all players who had "massive potential" got paid a ton of cash but did jack shit.

The only thing that may save him is Tallis will be the forwards coach at souths, who might keep on top of him regarding his attitude, otherwise he will just sink into nothingness there.

Also, we can't make a player sign the dotted line. If an extra $30 000 a year and never winning a premiership and being lucky to make the eight appeals to you then go for it.
 
The Rock said:
Pigskin said:
his best games at the same time as he is given his most minutes ... no coincidence there

diabolical decision to let Taylor leave ... on any date this year

stuff Henjak and Bruno ... what the heck are the board doing ... the club is hurtling backward

Oink !
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How did we let him leave though? Did we tell him to go? Nope. Did we offer him a shit deal? Nope.

If Taylor left because he thought he wasn't going to get decent run at the Broncos then clearly he's stupid. Why would any club offer hi 220k (if that's how much we offered him) if they weren't keen on giving him enough game time? Not to mention that Souths is a place where players go to ruin their career and not play finals football.

Broncos = 220k a year. Better chance of finals and rep footy.
Souths = 300k a year. More game time but less chance of finals and rep footy.

What would you do Pigskin?

IMO, Taylor saw the big $ and got a little excited.
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We didn't offer him a shit deal but you could tell he was frustrated with playing off the bench and being continually dropped to the Comets. It must have had a significant influence on his decision.

What Sailor had to say about him: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/ ... 23,00.html

"I haven't seen a forward with his ball skills since Arthur Beetson, that's who he reminds me of. I would honestly say he's the modern-day version of him. He has this special ability to get a ball free in traffic, you almost need to double-team him because he's too strong and powerful for one man."

"Wayne said to me a month ago he has never seen a forward with Dave Taylor's ball skills. He just needed some confidence. Pressure doesn't seem to worry him too much.''

The guy needed both more minutes in first grade and to be used more effectively. At his age he obviously doesn't have the same work rate as a Petero or a Steve Price. He was never going to grind it out. He's got attacking flair and size that those guys don't have and what he needs is a coach who has the confidence in him to use him in a way he can exploit it.

I think it's a short sighted view to assume he only went to Souths for the money. I'm sure Tallis did a good job of convincing him that if he stayed at the Broncos he risked spending more time on the bench or playing for the Comets vs. starting at Souths every week and that he's going to develop more as a forward playing against the best players (NRL) week in and week out.
 
And to get more minutes in first grade he needed to show he was serious by putting in the effort at Q Cup and training. He didn't.

Catch 22.

I think it's ridiculous the way some people are going up in arms at Bruno for not re-signing him. Most people when he announced his signing were like "meh, he hasn't done anything for 2 years". Now he's strung 3 good games together and suddenly it's "ZOMG the sky is falling, what were you thinking Broncos, booo!"
 
Not to mention he was a mega MEGA liability in defence. All you had to do was get the ball one pass wider than him then turn it inside and Taylor would be standing there like a cement post. Lazy lazy lazy.

The fact he's playing well is not because he's got minutes. He's got minutes because he's actually playing with a decent ATTITUDE.
 
Why does everyone keep calling Taylor a prop? The last month has shown he is clearly at his best as a very very large wide running second rower. Even if he stayed we needed to bolster our stocks up front because Taylor was used unsuccessfully up the middle for a long time.
 
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